I havent paid much attention to how they track on level ground. I really dont care about speed when Im using those skis, so less weight and better grip suits me fine. assisted tours into the bc, Voile must have some magician or something designing skis because the small amount of rocker on this ski makes a huge impact. There are people who mountaineer, day after day, in plastic boots though. You can get by without them if you happen to misjudge the situation, but it gets pretty tiring if you backslide a lot, and are forced to push a lot with your arms, or break trail and make a lot of additional turns. Or, a short approach with mellow skiing. This was a pretty each choice. A longer length is only needed for shredding at high speeds, which is uncommon on traverses, whereas a shorter length is much easier to handle in those spring traverse conditions where youre bushwacking with skis on. For powder skiing, I badly wish all my powder skis had these fish scales. I know people who pick out a non-rockered ski in the Spring, but they didnt have the option of using something so light. This ski 10mm THINNER would basically be the Rossi Bandit XX/Big Bang. That is not the only time you can get glop. I figured toggling back and forth between ski techniques depending on whether I was inbounds would likely make me sloppy on both days. I just skied the Objective BC on a tour in the Adirondacks, skiing the Wright Peak ski trail. I'm already concerned for the future of the KOM - it had my interest last year, but now not even on my radar. Thanks, Dan. Absolutely slower on moderate descents if your whole base is in contact with the snow. Couldnt recommend this ski enough if youre interested in mixed touring. If youre in rolling terrain and constantly going up and down, others will go so much faster on the downhill portions that they will net out ahead of you. It is easy to ski when your boots are firmer than required for the ski (e. g. using plastic boots on skinny skis) but much tougher to do the opposite. I wanted to be able to lock my heel in to get more out of the downhill sections. You do need to set a more gentle skin track, but you can still ascend at a reasonable speed with these.
The Objective BCs are a nice modern shape so they are easy to ski, whereas the Karhus had massive camber much more like an XC ski they were very hard to initiate turns with. However, I do think the loss in glide will be more than offset by the gain in maneuverability. I dont need much float for spring traverses, but I do need a nimble ski that finesse through tight trees. It really prevents the glop. Id have gone a few centimeters longer if I could, but, as you note, it tops out at 178cm. I have also skied them with the Scott Orbit. Mech. It seems like they only go to 178 when most Voile skis go a lot longer. East, West, North, South, Canada, US or Europe, Backcountry or not. Its good to have a pair of skins to take the inevitable abrasion from the not snow, unless you want to spend all day taking your skis on and off.
Of course, skills, familiarity, conditions and terrain all make a difference. I do lots of approaches with little ups and downs. Its a great ski for exercise off groomed trails. Our premium articles include in depth journalism and insights from the Backpacking Light editorial team. Too steep to ski down with skins and loo long to side step or herringbone on the way up. Ive used them quite a bit on several difference long traverse trips and Ive never put my skins on even though I was carrying them. I was out at a hut the last few nights and on the approach up it is was raining. I got apair from OMC Gear for 40% off, which now appears to have beentheir last pair. You're currently viewing a free preview of a member exclusive premium article. I think youll like that ski a lot. by Woodserson Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:02 am, Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. The scales slow you down on flats, no question. Any issues with tracking straight on the level? New Live Webinar - Introduction to Map & Compass - July 2 @ 9 AM US MDT. My regular powder ski is a DPS Lotus 138, which has zero camber and is all rocker. I use TLT 8 boots. Or when youre skiing back out but there is a short uphill section that everyone side steps or bootpacks? But where fish scales really shine is when you are going up and down, up and down, several times. They are just a nice, nimble ski, that works well. What really caught my eye this year, though, is that a lot of these skis now have built in skins. Noticed that there appear to be 2 or 3 other people on the internet that own the Voile objective, so thought Id post a review for them to get excited about. This is the ski I've been looking for for a few years now. Is it pretty flexible if you try to bend the tip and tail up? We like fish scales. But I would probably bring them, just in case. I always use Maxiglide on my bases, and it makes a big difference when the conditions are ripe for glopping which around here is fresh snow that is relatively warm. If I could afford to Id ad a pair of scaled skis to my quiver, I might, but Id be pretty selective about what trips I used them for and careful to preserve the bases. However, still turns readily when skied properly. I'd trust it on ice, but I would be wary of it holding an edge solidly if you really need to crank. I cant think of anything better for backcountry traverses. Mine weigh 2006g for the pair. Once you realize how helpful they are, youll notice a million times where they would be a benefit where most backcountry skiers just flail along without realizing theres a better way.
The ski itself is obviously not an XC ski, but the range of motion on the pins is such that it kicks and glides stupendously. The ski seems like another good offering from Voile. Part of the reason I went to a 4 buckle boot (with the Cosmos), was that a 2 buckle boot requires a more centered stance, which is a different form from my resort boots. Truth be told it is a light setup, so I think it can handle just about anything you throw at it, but you may need to ski things a touch more conservatively to stay within the ski's capabilities. Maybe its conditions related. Since its so light, if you do have your heel locked in and you need to skate or sidestep, its quite easy and doesnt require a lot of energy. by MikeK Sat Sep 24, 2016 8:43 pm, Post Need to make sure the binding ramp angle is generally compatible with your boots.
My guess is the vast majority of longer distance ski mountaineering trips (like this) take place using plastic boots. Ive noticed that I move very fast uphill, but unlike a lot of people, I have to push my way downhill. I am interested in using them (or something alike) for multi-day trips where I may habe to carry them as well some time, so lightweight shoes with soft sole would be very important. I presume the shorter ski + more side cut isnt as good/fast on flat, but I havent noticed much a difference. If I had fish scales there were have been no such problem. I'd buy this ski 10 times over. For example, whendescending with theKarhus, Id often have to put my skins onfor extra drag because they were too much of a handful to ski in the trees. As a Nordic ski patroller Ive seen enough back country accidents to know I need release bindings. If you dont need to ski anything very difficult, then skinnier skis (which can be driven more easily by BC boots) are the better choice, in my opinion. Well-suited for multi-day trips over rolling terrain. If you do want a nice pow ski with fish scales, Dan, check out the voile hyper vector bcs.
It's lighter than the Kom, lighter than the Annum, lighter than the Helio Carbon 88 and lighter than the S-Bounds 112. So far as I know, this hasnt made it up to bigger skis (by these makers, or other companies, like Viole). So, I took the plunge and bought the Objective for my long tours with occasional turns. Not too hard to flex (though going by memory as I havent flexed it that way lately). Some of you have been hoping for a skimo/XCD hybrid ski for backpacking style trips in winter, and it looks likeVoile has just produced a new contender. Also, Im approaching this from the perspective of a downhill skier that also does traverses, rather than the perspective of an XC skier that wants to go beyond the nordic track. Night and day. Skin wax is pretty essential for some trips where glopping can become an issue. If they made it in 184 and allowed Tele mounts without voiding warranty Id buy it.
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A few key characteristics before I get into performance: Mild sidecut. Trade-offs. I find spring conditions too variable to want to deal with that. To me that is one the misnomers about the ski (they arent just for powder). This is the World Famous TelemarkTalk / TelemarkTips / Telemark Francais Forum, by far the most dynamic telemark and backcountry skiing discussion board on the world wide web since 1998. That said, its pleasant. I would also offer a different opinion than Dan in terms of grip. The weather is often very close to freezing, and varies during the day, which means that you would have to apply different types of kick wax several times. by MikeK Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:09 pm, Post I've heard that people feel like they're a lot slower on the descents - have you noticed that? I doubt Ill be using the Objective BCsin any conditions where therocker is needed for float. As for a grip wax setup, I havent seriously considered this. Ive found that the skis Ive owned for a while now offer more grip than before, probably due to my appreciation of good craft beer. My choice on the binding was a balance of weight and ramp angle. The funny thing is that the only time Ive had skins glop was under the conditions you mentioned, but in that case I didnt wax them or treat them first. I rarely got this with my fish scales. In powder, this ski screams to the surface and the tips stay up top. The descent was great - skied wonderfully. We do NOT, ever, run them across dirt or grass. But even here its very rare that Im on a slope where I wont glide with fish scales but would without them Ive never felt like my fish scales werent gliding on a surface where I expected regular skis would. The problem with plastic boots, though, is that they can be tiring for long trips. I havent been disappointed yet! We encourage posts re: human powered uphill/downhill shralping, TR's, pics, bc gear, avalanche tools/techniques/training/technology The ski just rocks at every segment of the tour. It still catches me off guard with how easily a little turn initiationmakes them go from straight to perpendicular in an instant. On a rolling descent (or rolling terrain), I think fish scales are easily going to pay off over a climbing skin setup since they havevastly more glide than even the fastest skins (if you were to just keep your skins on the whole time), or since the drag losses are likely much smaller than the time lost putting skins on/off (if you were to put your skins on for the uphills) or since the drag losses are likely less than the effort avoid putting your skins on for the uphills (e.g. Perfect Northeast touring ski in my opinion, with plenty of applications elsewhere (hut to hut in CO, etc.). I ski them with the G3 Zed and the Scott Cosmos. Quite often I leave the skins behind. I think my wife is sold on the pattern. The only time you can notice them at all it on groomed runs, which are sparse in the backcountry :). The Objectives arent nearly this rockers, but I expect the shorter effective length will be a real asset in rugged terrain. Make sure you pick an easy-to-transition binding and boot with a lot of range of motion, so you can make the most of the performance that the ski offers. I did cross the lake below this past spring which is maybe 6 miles long and didnt notice any issues, but I was also pretty tired at the time and not really in top kick-glide form. I did not, because of the pattern. I can easily keep pace with XC skiers in set track (though, alongside, since this ski is obviously too wide for set track). Given how light it is, and how grippy the pattern is, this thing tours wonderfully. Are you able to talk about your boots/bindings setup as well, since that is also very significant as to how the ski will perform and be used overall? With a ski that lacks a pattern, you "endure" the approach for turns. Reviews only please, questions can be posted as replies but new threads looking for opinions should be posted to the main Telemark Talk Forum. It's a very light ski, and also reasonably stiff for its weight. I think gliding and slow descents might be a bit slow is all. In my experience multi day ski trips tend to involve a wide range of snow (and not snow). Somewhat chattery as a result if youre in any sort of chopped up crud. Even the ones without a lot of tip and tail rocker. But it did work. I felt nuts ordering them, but I went with 164cm. The fish scales are all you need so you can normally leave the skins behind.
If you dont want to shell out for full skins, try and find some kickers (which tend to be cheaper, and can easily be transferred to other skis).
Great discussion going here. I know they both skied this particular model on their trip to AK this year where they skied theMooses Tooth. For ski trails. Home Forums Gear Forums Gear (General) Voile Objective BC ski. Points: 60, Latest My skins ended up drenched and glopping. Ive done tours where Ive passed much younger folks in lighter gears, just because they are spending a lot of time taking off and putting on their skins.
The fishscales are wet in the sun, then they freeze in the shade. Id like a less side cut ski to complement my v6 BC and Ultravectors BC but the Objective is too short for me. Ive personally skied on nearly all of their skis over the last few years and have nothing but positive things to say Voile makes a bunchof fairly light, predictable, durable, fun, and inexpensive skis to suit a variety of skiers needs. You should have very good grip going uphill, and be able to bounce your way down just about anything. I don't think you will have to be a freak to appreciate these. I like skis that are like that. Sometimes the exact same terrain that you did a week before with fish scales requires skins in different conditions. Anyone with more experience than I have any thoughts on how they may perform vs the XCD skis? Some skins are quite sluggish and heavy, like more nylon based bd skins. Including some additional info for people that come across this post in the future. That said, the 178 tracks well when touring despite being a little short, and still floats fine. by Johnny Fri Sep 23, 2016 1:39 pm, Post Even if youre just doing powder laps the fish scales are still so handy to have for flat sections, rolling logging roads, long approaches etc. trees), rather than by the glide of the skis. Skis like that are often paired with plastic boots (A. T. or Telemark) just because they are pretty big and have plenty of sidecut. I dont want to give up performance in the powder by buying a ski with the wrong shape, so I really wish there were more fish scale options for powder skis. Theyre awesome. If youre doing mixed terrain with someone who is fully reliant on skins, you will end up using your pattern joyfully while they struggle with the decision on whether to put skins back on or sidestep/skate/duck walk. Softer skis with more curvature: a bit slower, but at least you can turn on them. With my Atomic Rainiers I use BC boots, and with my other (skinnier) skis I use regular cross country boots. Why cant this be edited? (Sidecountry, snomo, cat & heli bumps) sometimes accepted. I really want a pair. !How to enable JavaScript in your Browser, Post Given the small amount of rocker and long camber, it is not the most playful or turny ski I have. I also want to second the recommendation of Maxiglide. So I love them.
Without the rocker and the lightness of course. I live in the Northeast and wanted a ski that would be good for some technical skiing AND a long approach. However, if you're on something steep enough to be on your edges, I don't think the scales impact speed. There is some tail rocker, no doubt but not a lot. I personally pair them with (plastic) Telemark boots. Given how light it is, it is NOT damp on crud. That was a similarly versatile ski, though is designed for tele and did not have any rocker. If you happen to be on the heavy end of things (for that ski) than you will have great grip going up (and be a bit slower perhaps, going down). Interesting to hear about Maxiglide. And if you are reading this Im super excited about your upcoming tents. We pay for our membership. Just remember, people have been skiing powder long before we had 6 wide powder skis. Just a huge smile shape. If I was doing mid-winter traverses on moderate terrain then waxing might be more appealing. Seriously? What a concept! As far as boots, that is the challenge.
I probably wont bring skins on future traverses and not using them at all on my last 3 even while having them. My first pair of BC skis were voile vector bcs. Seemingly small amount of rocker upfront, with the predominant shape being the camber I mentioned above. She's too much of a powder skier to ever agree to something as skinny as the Objective (which is a mistake on her part), but I think she could easily spring for a Vector BC after watching my basically sing with joy on approaches, while she slogged on skins. And when Id moved on to scaless skis but my buddy still had his scales, Id be forced to wait for him to catch up instead of just cruising. I imagine if they werent my only skis and I skiied a lot less in them it wouldnt have been such a problem, but there is no good solution once they get scratched up since you cant resurface the scales. by Woodserson Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:59 am, Post There customer service was also excellent. I see about 185cm for my powder skis but Im happy with these in 164cm and would be content with 150cm. I did a 4 day hut trip last winter on this setup. But not so much that they want to turn themselves. My experience was that a 2 buckle boot was MAYBE a bit too light to power the ski. Even then if it is a shallow enough grade, I prefer the speed of fish scales. The ex-Powderwhore himself, Noah Howell and a ski partner, Ben Peters, have put the Objectiveto work and I believe have given itgood marks. The kind of traverses I do are usually a bushwack filled spring sufferfest where Ive got enough to deal with that I dont want to be figuring out skin wax. One thing worth noting in all of this is that there is an interesting trend in high end cross country skis. So the Objective BCs are super light, easy to ski and with a high performance fish scale. Likewise, in breakable crust, they can do the same thing. Theyturn easy enough on corn (like any ski) but really get stuck in a rut on crusty snow. For a long time now, fish scale classic skis have been available for expensive (super light, fast) cross country skis. However, you will arrive with far less exertion and fatigue, which is especially useful on an approach. Al - this could be your chance to get back under 10 lbs! We find it useful to spray the sole with some sort of non-stick which limits how often the snow sticks and balls up. Login or become a member to post in the member forums! Thus far, I have skied it in the Adirondacks, White Mountains, and Tetons. Great info, I'm interested in this ski, however still trying to figure out where it would fit in my quiver. Most of the time Ive been going up or down, rather than kick/glideing on level ground. There are basically three ways to propel you up a hill (well, four if you count skating): grip wax, fish scales, or skins. Im about 170 lbs these days plus typically a backpack full of gear, and Im on the 164cm Objective BCs. It skied gloriously without the skins. Wild Snow has the only pre-release take Ive seen here. Both skis have full metal edges and both have Voile release bindings and heel cables. I was quite ready to get rid of them by the time I passed them on. It kicks and glides like a champ. I think it really varies depending on where you are relative to the skis. Voile ultravector bc owner here. I'm looking at other lightweight skis like the Blizzard ZeroG 85, BD Cirque 84 or the Dynafit Blacklight Pro and can't decide if the Objective BC would be too much of a one trick pony.. Youve got a great design mind. bootpacking, side stepping). But again, that has a lot do with where you are relative to the camber. I have various skis with fish scales, and they are great. For the type of use I have envisioned for these (ambitious long traverses through diverse terrain), I find that my downhill speed is mostly limited by my ability to navigate through the terrain (e.g. Skiing last week (on the DPS, not the Objectives): I wonder what bindings and shoes you guys use on the Objectives (coming from Alpine ski world)?
We are talking here of a complete fat setup under 6lbs including the bindings, at 178cm! Fischer does have bigger skis that have both fish scales and special attachments so that you can easily attach and detach skins (Easy Skin) bus so far the trend of using permanent skins hasnt made it up to bigger skis. Have them mounted with 22 designs lynx Telemark bindings. If you are the opposite, then you might find yourself slipping backwards a bit. So we switched to the much lighter NNN-BC. Im looking forward to including a pair of these BC models in my quiver for sure. Those two, non-detachable low speed quads are the best season pass you'll ever own. Its not super stiff. I agree with your other points. Ross if you dont mind, what length are yours and how much do you weigh? I was coming from a Madshus Epoch (the old Karhu 10th Mountain Tour ski). Slowshoeing, lift access, your recent park footy, mountaineering & non-snow wilderness adventures, not here. they stick out more) so when I use them I almost never use skins. With rocker on a short ski, much of the surface will be on fish scales. Its hard to imagine conditions where snow would be glop onto fishscales but not to skins.
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